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    ISPs charge child abuse investigators for data

The Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre has paid over £171,000 since 2006 for IP address data.

By Nicole Kobie, 22 Jan 2009 at 10:27

Internet service providers (ISPs) have charged child sex abuse investigators over £171,000 for access to data since 2006.

The Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (CEOP) told the BBC following a freedom of information request that since April of 2006 it had made 9,400 requests for user information, at a total cost of £171,505.99.

In an interview with the BBC, the CEOP centre’s chief executive Jim Gamble said the body expected to pay as much as £100,000 to ISPs to get the information they needed to find children who were being abused – and the criminals hurting them. “That could have put a number of specialists to work here – doing the right thing, making the environment safer, making it even more commercially viable,” he said, later adding that figure could fund two extra investigators.

Affiliated with the Serious Organised Crime Agency, the CEOP centre uses information from ISPs to track online predators, essentially to put a name and location to IP addresses. Some ISPs charge to supply that data, while others do not.

Gamble said companies clearly have the right to cost recovery, and said he does not think a change to the law is necessary. “We don’t need new legislation, we need new thinking. We need sensible thinking,” he said. “What I’m trying to do is to say that I don’t believe that ISPs should give us everything for free, of course not.”

But he added that any firm which claims it can’t afford to provide such data in support of police protecting children “simply can’t afford to do business”.

Gamble compared CEOP’s work to transport police, who are allowed to travel free on trains. “They won’t have to buy a ticket to get on the train – and you compare the train system to the online network; they won’t pay or have to cajole or convince the conductor to give them the information about the threatening person who’s in the carriage down the back,” he said.

“So what we need to do is get the whole of the online industry – because many of them already provide this info to us for free – to get the whole industry to behave more reasonably on this particular issue.”

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Competition eliminates excess capacity

Jim Gamble doesn't seem to understand how competition works: companies that are competing for customers need to offer the best service and the lowest prices possible. He presumes that companies who cannot afford to give away their time should not be in business, but it seems to me quite the opposite - that companies that CAN afford to pay employees to enforce the law for the government must be overcharging their customers. This is also different from the train example: It costs the railroads virtually nothing to allow law enforcement to ride free, and it benefits the railroads because customers feel safe. With ISPs, they are being asked to subsidize a law enforcement presence that may cause their customers to feel less secure online (especially given past abuses like Operation Ore). Any reasonable businessman would demand payment for services rendered under such circumstances.

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£18.25

"9,400 requests for user information, at a total cost of £171,505.99." Doing the math, the charge is less than £18.25 per data search. "Gamble said companies clearly have the right to cost recovery... I don’t believe that ISPs should give us everything for free, of course not." He says companies have a right to cost recovery,and he's making an issue over an average £18.25 charge? That sounds like a pretty low cost to having one or more IT professionals to go rummaging though archived data logs. In some cases they may need to use special care and manually cross-check data logs to ensure they do not misidentify an innocent person.

By Ip_nonsense574f8 on Friday Jan 23

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£18.25

"9,400 requests for user information, at a total cost of £171,505.99." Doing the math, the charge is less than £18.25 per data search. "Gamble said companies clearly have the right to cost recovery... I don’t believe that ISPs should give us everything for free, of course not." He says companies have a right to cost recovery,and he's making an issue over an average £18.25 charge? That sounds like a pretty low cost to having one or more IT professionals to go rummaging though archived data logs. In some cases that may need to use special care and manually cross-check data logs to ensure they do not misidentify an innocent person.

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